Kaashif and Baatin on Love
What does it mean to say that if there is a tinge of attachment it is not real Love?
Kaashif
Real Love is selfless. There is no attachment, you don’t need the person anymore.
Baatin
How can “no attachment” be possible?
Kaashif
At the “real” level of Love, you are not attached to the person but the person’s “being”. And that is how “no attachment” is possible.
Baatin
Separation from the beloved shouldn’t hurt then.
Kaashif
The “being” of the person never goes. The beloved always “is” once she “has been”, she cannot “not be”, for a person who has “been” will always “be”, he can never “not be”.
Baatin
What about feelings? They cannot go!
Kaashif
There are no feelings at the “real” level. And at the level just before the “real” level there can only be longing, longing for union, longing for “merger”.
Baatin
And this happens inside a person? If my beloved is separated, I am still in “merger” with her? You don’t long for her, for you are one, not two different “beings”?
Kaashif
It is a state of being, it cannot be said to be going on “inside” a person. In “real” love the beloved never seperated. Her “being” is now a part of your “being” and in that Celebrate!
Baatin
These feelings change. You meet another person. You feel for her.
Kaashif
Feelings always change, and the state, and the stations always change. The “end” of love is the beginning of Love. The “journey” starts when you annihilate yourself and her into one. Everything till now was a kind of preparation or homework. The real work, the real Love begins now.
Baatin
Can you feel for another person even after merger?
Kaashif
Initially for her “skin”. Her skin is nothing but the extention of her material being.
Baatin
How can that be possible! You have already merged!
Kaashif
The “merged” feels for the new person. If you stay at the same level and never rise, the loop goes on forever. You meet, you merge, you meet again, you merge again. The only solution is to rise above. Find your Sheikh!
Baatin
This concludes that the old lover, the one you were in merger with, can be replaced by someone new.
Kaashif
Can be and cannot be.
Baatin
In what case “can be”?
Kaashif
Can be at the material level.
Baatin
In what case “cannot be”?
Kaashif
At the “real” level of the merger, the new one merges with what the older one has become. What has the older one become? He has become what he has become after the merger of what he was and what his beloved was.
Baatin
Tell me the secret.
Kaashif
Every moment is a “becoming”. You cannot “unbecome” what you have “become”. This moment has just merged into you. You cannot separate it from what you “became” once the moment merged into your previous “being”. You can add more moments and keep on merging in them. The only way to stop is to stop. Timelessness!
Baatin
2 Comments
Irtiza Fayaz
Regarding the construct referred here as a person’s “being”: For me I would say a more apt way to put it would be ‘perception of being’ or ‘idea of being’. The beloved is nothing but an excuse, or you could call them a source, for us to find something exalted that transcends the limits of being. Any form of ‘true love’ cannot be limited to just the confines of personhood, since a person is a material being, and love for the material cannot be true. Loving a person for just existing, therefore, is just as materialistic and hence not true, as loving a person for their qualities, because in the end, you’re in love with the existence of a material entity.
You could argue that there may be something metaphysical that exists in a being that transcends the material plane, and can be the object of true love. But here we are limited, again, by our senses and perception. The same way ideas behind words cannot be conveyed in their truest, purest sense, does the metaphysical essence remain elusive, for it cannot be touched, seen, heard, or tasted in totality. To claim that one can experience true love with the husk of a person’s metaphysical being is delusional.
So what remains of that which can be truly loved? You can only ever fall for your perception of a being, and when that perception reveals a greater transcendental truth to you, do you truly experience love. And since the truth is revealed to you through the being, they become beloved.
To be continued…
Sull Kaak
Paragraph 1: Sense of being could be immaterial. And where love (material) ends, Love (immaterial) starts.
Paragraph 2: Being could be a metaphysical entity. Metaphysical entities could be felt by the “perceiver” through intuitive feeling.
Paragraph 3: The “end” of love is the beginning of Love. The “journey” starts when you annihilate yourself and her into one. Everything till now was a kind of preparation or homework. The real work, the real Love begins now.